I recently had the pleasure of joining Veslemøy Klavenes-Berge on her podcast, Stories for the future, for Episode 79: “How to Keep Your Cool”—a conversation I think Outrage Overload listeners will really appreciate.

We dug into some of the core ideas we explore on Outrage Overload: the ways media fuels outrage, how toxic polarization is shaping our world, and—most importantly—how we can push back against it. Veslemøy and I discussed practical ways to stay level-headed in an environment designed to provoke anger, as well as how to engage meaningfully with those we disagree with.

For those who haven’t listened to Stories for the future before, it’s a fantastic show about people taking action to create a better world. Veslemøy has a thoughtful, engaging approach, and our conversation really resonated with the work I do on Outrage Overload.

I’d love for you to check out the episode and let me know what you think!